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PostPosted: 08:09:58 Sun 12/Aug/2012 
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Hello all, it's been awhile for me here, varying reasons.

In 2009 Mayanbilly kindly found my cousin Edith A Price,- Blundellsands in 1914 Gores Directory.
She & her Brother Arthur R.Price, his Wife Hannah Jane & dtrs Amy 17 & Florence 15 were at 44 Bridge St Bundellsands in 1911- confectionary business.

Is it possible to access electoral rolls for these years 1914 to 1955?

Arthur died in 1922 interred Toxeth Park & I believe I've found Hannah Janes death in 1951 - Crosby & Ediths in 1955- Crosby.

Can anyone suggest please which cemetery would have been their resting place? I did see a map with Fords & 'Powerman'? They were C of E.

Still unable to find definitely their dtrs Amy b.1894 & Florence b.1896 Toxteth Park,in marriage or death due to frequency of those names used.Would so like to close these files nicely.

Any help very much appreciated,
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PostPosted: 10:06:47 Sun 12/Aug/2012 
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The electoral rolls for Crosby are held at
Sefton Local History
Crosby Library
Crosby Road North
Waterloo
L22 0LQ

Email:
local.history@sefton.gov.uk

Telephone:
0151 257 6401

They may be able to help you. They also hold the Crosby herald on film which is the local newspaper.

If the family died in Crosby the possibilities for burial are probably St Luke's C of E church Great Crosby or Thornton Cemetery opened 1963 or Bootle Cemetery opened 1913 . For the last two the contact details are


Address:

Thornton Garden of Rest
Lydiate Lane
Thornton
Postcode:
L23 1TP
Email:
thornton.gardenofrest@sefton.gov.uk

Telephone:
0151 924 5143

Notes:
Contact information for Bootle and Thornton Cemeteries

I would suggest you obtained death certificates first to find out where they died which may help to pinpoint a possibly burial place. The Cemetry will require at least an approximate (quarter and year) date to search.

Rereading your post I would check Toxteth Park Cemetery first.

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PostPosted: 10:11:11 Sun 12/Aug/2012 
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Checking Toxteth Park Cemetery Database online I found

Toxteth Park Burials
Search Results for grave B R/100

Surname Forename Age Rank Address Buried Folio Entry C/N Section Grave Class

PRICE Hannah Jane 81 years - 19 Glenwyllin Road Waterloo 10 April 1951 238 129942 C B R 100 352 CEM 9/1/25

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PostPosted: 10:20:29 Sun 12/Aug/2012 
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From www.lancashirebmd.org.uk

1922
PRICE Amy
married
RHODES Hugh Q L

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Blundellsands, St Nicholas

This record will not be online so you would need to purchase the marriage certificate for more details

At the same church in 1921

PRICE Florence married ELLERTON Edward

Again you would need to purchase the certificate for more details.

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PostPosted: 12:00:12 Sun 12/Aug/2012 
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Hilary thank you very much for very helpful info. rekeying as I just manage to lose all of my post.

I had seen the Price/ Rhodes marriage & tried searching for that family for proof of..
Also the Price Ellerton marriage but there was a Wiltshire/ Price marriage in W.Derby also & at the time finances wouln't stretch to a guess for certificate.

I did however check the Toxeth Park cemetery again & found Hannah in same grave no. x one removed as her Husband. Edith may have been returned to
Cheshire - her birth place or if not I can now try the Thornton or Gt.Crosby cemeteries.

The Crosby Library is my next port of email call for electoral rolls, had earlier today been through Sefton Council website. Perhaps I'm nearing the end & some definite details will appear.

Thanks again, Wendyem.


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PostPosted: 12:31:12 Sun 12/Aug/2012 
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Wendyem wrote:
there was a Wiltshire/ Price marriage in W.Derby also & at the time finances wouln't stretch to a guess for certificate.

If the family lived in the area of Blundellsands/Crosby etc. the marriages that Hilary found are far more likely than one in the West Derby Registration District which would cover up to the Bootle area, probably not far enough.

To make sure when applying through the GRO, which you can do online at www.gro.gov.uk make sure you specify that you only want the certificate IF the father's name is correct, then that will minimise the risk of ordering the wrong certificate.

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PostPosted: 13:16:04 Sun 12/Aug/2012 
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Thank you MaryA,
I've just sent off queries to persons who seem to be related to these Families : Ellerton & Rhodes via Births registered to said parties. Becoming very hopeful so I am off to bed to dream pleasant dreams, ( just incase the realities don't match) :) I so want them to have had a happy life.
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PostPosted: 22:03:01 Sun 12/Aug/2012 
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On 12 Aug 2012 Hilary wrote
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Thornton Cemetery opened 1963

The Cemetery itself opened in 1940, it was the Crematorium that was added in 1963

Crosby Library does indeed hold the electoral registers but you will find that there are gaps for some of the War Years. I don't think 1915-1917 exist. Until 1928 only women over 30 who owned property are likely to appear. The entries are listed by polling district and address and there are no alphabetical lists of voters so you need to have a fairly good idea of the address to find anything.


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PostPosted: 01:27:38 Mon 13/Aug/2012 
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Thanks golflimatango, I would try electoral rolls for the 1940-50s & hope the address given for Hannah at her death was shared with Edith. Having had a business they may have been able to buy their home in Crosby.

Overnight dreams came true & two delightful people answered emails. Just need to make sure we all have the right folk now.

Wendyem.


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Good to hear you have received replies to your emails.

My apologies for misreading the opening date of the Thornton Cemetery.

You might also find directories helpful. Again a selection of the Liverpool Directories (which included Crosby) are held at Sefton Local History.

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Wendyem wrote:
I would try electoral rolls for the 1940-50s

In Liverpool there were no Electoral Registers during the war, the last being 1939 and the next 1946, but I don't know if that covers all of Lancashire, best enquire with Crosby Library to see if the area you are interested in was different.

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PostPosted: 11:57:25 Mon 13/Aug/2012 
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Thank you Hilary & MaryA, I would put my query as close to Hannah Janes death year as possible, delays came in today with other necessary chores, but I will get to Crosby Library tomorrow (via email) hopefully with no other side trips to cloud the issue.

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PostPosted: 03:57:01 Wed 15/Aug/2012 
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So glad I moved on from past disappointments & popped in here again. So grateful to have found correct matches for my girls, was even able to help a Family contact to solve a mystery in his Family.

Thanks All.


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PostPosted: 06:52:10 Sat 19/Jan/2013 
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Wendyem wrote:
I will get to Crosby Library tomorrow (via email) hopefully with no other side trips to cloud the issue.Wendyem


Well, that didn't work, an email in August last year must have found Crosby Library closed or very busy.
If anyone feels they know of Edith Price & her probably resting place, I'd love to hear from you.
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PostPosted: 11:39:27 Sat 19/Jan/2013 
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I am surprised you didn't receive at least an acknowledgment of your email to the Local History Section at Crosby Library. Here are their full contact details.
They will need an address to look at in the electoral rolls if they are able to do this for you.

Contact details for Local History Sefton
Local History (Library Service)
Address:
Crosby Library
Crosby Road North
Waterloo
Postcode:
L22 0LQ
Email:
local.history@sefton.gov.uk
Telephone:
0151 257 6401

Contact details for Thornton Cemetery - they will need at least a quarter and year for the death and may ask for the actual date of death. If you have the date of death it would also be posiible that someone might be prepared to look in the local paper and see if there is an obituary.

Thornton Crematorium
Address:
Thornton Garden of Rest
Lydiate Lane
Thornton
Postcode:
L23 1TP
Email:
thornton.gardenofrest@sefton.gov.uk
Telephone:
0151 924 5143
Notes:
Contact information for Bootle and Thornton Cemeteries

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PostPosted: 00:40:45 Sun 20/Jan/2013 
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Thank you Hilary, I too was a little surprised as I've always found Libraries very helpful here & o'seas. However things can go amiss, emails can be lost etc.
I didn't like to re-send email as it seemed a bit pushy. Perhaps I can do so now as some time has passed, they may even be aware of computer problems at that time.
Perhaps also an email to Thornton Garden of Rest. I had previously looked at that site to see if missing Mitchell cousin may have been mentioned in th CWGC.
No civilians online there tho'.


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PostPosted: 14:49:41 Sun 20/Jan/2013 
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I'm sorry but I don't understand the last part of your post about a Mitchell cousin and Thornton Garden of Rest. They have no online records. If you mean the CWGC website they have civilian war deaths recorded.

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PostPosted: 16:45:26 Sun 20/Jan/2013 
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Administration of Hannah's estate was granted to Amy Rhodes wife of Hugh Quintin Lawrence Rhodes and Florence Ellerton widow. in May 1951. Estate £854 4s 4d

Amy Price married Hugh Q L in 1922 at St Nicholas Blundellsands and Florence married Edward Ellerton in 21 at the same church

Amy Rhodes died 1966 in Waterloo - entry on the Probate Index on Ancestry
Hugh Q L Rhodes died Bournemouth 1973

Edward Ellerton died 1929 - entry on Probate index

Edith Annie Price also has an entry on the Probate index died 6 March 1955

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I'm sorry but I don't understand the last part of your post about a Mitchell cousin and Thornton Garden of Rest. They have no online records. If you mean the CWGC website they have civilian war deaths recorded.


Sorry, trying to get key all in before computer had another dizzy fit.-It died- now on netbook. I looked for Mitchell cousin to see if he was mentioned on CWGC list in Thornton, but aside from CWGC, saw no index of other burials (which may have included Edith Price, or not).

I shall post a separate query for him soon.
I did see the probate entries, thankyou.


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